Comments on: Why Doesn’t Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Look Great On Blu-ray? http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/05/11/why-doesnt-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-look-great-on-blu-ray/ Where you get your fanboy news and reviews. Sat, 05 Mar 2011 04:09:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Josh http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/05/11/why-doesnt-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-look-great-on-blu-ray/comment-page-1/#comment-15324 Josh Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:52:57 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=3192#comment-15324 How exactly does this black level difference work? Which of those is the 'correct' brightness setting? The bottom image *is* brighter. How exactly does this black level difference work? Which of those is the ‘correct’ brightness setting? The bottom image *is* brighter.

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By: Marc http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/05/11/why-doesnt-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-look-great-on-blu-ray/comment-page-1/#comment-14769 Marc Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:09:11 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=3192#comment-14769 While I appreciate the comment, your argument is inherently flawed. While most TV based animation is animated at sub 1080p, it in general is not animated at 540p, but there are exceptions, such as FMA:B. You are labeling an exception (not the only exception mind you, but one of them) as if it were normal. Not to mention, this post was about why modern animation (of which, once again, this is the exception that it wasn't done at a higher resolution) wouldn't look pristine on Blu-ray. I didn't explain how 1080i works in the post because it wasn't necessary for the goal of the post, which is explaining WHY it doesn't look great on Blu-ray. While I appreciate the comment, your argument is inherently flawed.

While most TV based animation is animated at sub 1080p, it in general is not animated at 540p, but there are exceptions, such as FMA:B. You are labeling an exception (not the only exception mind you, but one of them) as if it were normal. Not to mention, this post was about why modern animation (of which, once again, this is the exception that it wasn’t done at a higher resolution) wouldn’t look pristine on Blu-ray.

I didn’t explain how 1080i works in the post because it wasn’t necessary for the goal of the post, which is explaining WHY it doesn’t look great on Blu-ray.

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By: Stephen Gallagher http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/05/11/why-doesnt-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-look-great-on-blu-ray/comment-page-1/#comment-14748 Stephen Gallagher Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:57:00 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=3192#comment-14748 I hate to be the one to tell you this, but 540 = 1080/2. Or, even simpler: 540p = 1080i. A 1080i broadcast is one where every 1/60 seconds, half of the picture is broadcast (alternating even and odd lines - the 'i' stands for interlaced). 1080p (progressive) broadcasts broadcast 1080 lines every 1/60 seconds. There are two ways that a 1080i image can be produced. The more expensive way is to record as a 1080p broadcast and then drop half of the resolution lines at every 60Hz refresh. The much cheaper way is to just produce a 540p broadcast and then shift it up and down one pixel every 60Hz refresh. The simple fact is that the human eye can't reasonably tell the difference at most standard viewing ranges, so virtually ALL 1080i broadcasts are produced with this cheaper option. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but 540 = 1080/2. Or, even simpler: 540p = 1080i.

A 1080i broadcast is one where every 1/60 seconds, half of the picture is broadcast (alternating even and odd lines – the ‘i’ stands for interlaced). 1080p (progressive) broadcasts broadcast 1080 lines every 1/60 seconds.

There are two ways that a 1080i image can be produced. The more expensive way is to record as a 1080p broadcast and then drop half of the resolution lines at every 60Hz refresh. The much cheaper way is to just produce a 540p broadcast and then shift it up and down one pixel every 60Hz refresh. The simple fact is that the human eye can’t reasonably tell the difference at most standard viewing ranges, so virtually ALL 1080i broadcasts are produced with this cheaper option.

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By: Otaku in Review Podcast – PAL Has Nothing To Do With It | JanaiBlog http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/05/11/why-doesnt-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-look-great-on-blu-ray/comment-page-1/#comment-14167 Otaku in Review Podcast – PAL Has Nothing To Do With It | JanaiBlog Sat, 29 May 2010 02:34:58 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=3192#comment-14167 [...] from The Fanboy Review came on the show to talk about some interesting details he noticed about FUNimation’s Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Blu-ray release. In addition to this, we [...] [...] from The Fanboy Review came on the show to talk about some interesting details he noticed about FUNimation’s Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Blu-ray release. In addition to this, we [...]

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By: Mashimizu http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/05/11/why-doesnt-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-look-great-on-blu-ray/comment-page-1/#comment-13746 Mashimizu Fri, 14 May 2010 05:37:34 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=3192#comment-13746 Well I bought Samurai Champloo on blue-ray and I thought it looked good. I doubt it was native HD though. Anyways I will just go with the blue-ray. By the way my TV displays up to 1080p but I notice a problem on it that I'm not sure how to describe. Man things are getting so complicated nowadays. Well I bought Samurai Champloo on blue-ray and I thought it looked good. I doubt it was native HD though. Anyways I will just go with the blue-ray. By the way my TV displays up to 1080p but I notice a problem on it that I’m not sure how to describe. Man things are getting so complicated nowadays.

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By: Marc http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/05/11/why-doesnt-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-look-great-on-blu-ray/comment-page-1/#comment-13741 Marc Fri, 14 May 2010 03:43:50 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=3192#comment-13741 I think this is a case of people having to decide for themselves. I'd look at the caps from the BD and the DVD that I have up there and figure out what you want to do. Personally, I'd say Blu-ray, but based on the quality of your TV and how you notice video quality, may be different for you. I think this is a case of people having to decide for themselves.

I’d look at the caps from the BD and the DVD that I have up there and figure out what you want to do.

Personally, I’d say Blu-ray, but based on the quality of your TV and how you notice video quality, may be different for you.

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By: Mashimizu http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/05/11/why-doesnt-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-look-great-on-blu-ray/comment-page-1/#comment-13739 Mashimizu Fri, 14 May 2010 02:40:21 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=3192#comment-13739 Well I read all the FMA Brotherhood reviews in hopes it would help me decide which one to get (DVD or blue-ray) but I'm still at a loss. So, should I get the blue-ray then, considering I have the HDTV and a PS3? Its just the DVD is so much cheaper on rightstuf but I don't mind spending the extra money for blue-ray if its worth it. Well I read all the FMA Brotherhood reviews in hopes it would help me decide which one to get (DVD or blue-ray) but I’m still at a loss. So, should I get the blue-ray then, considering I have the HDTV and a PS3? Its just the DVD is so much cheaper on rightstuf but I don’t mind spending the extra money for blue-ray if its worth it.

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By: Marc http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/05/11/why-doesnt-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-look-great-on-blu-ray/comment-page-1/#comment-13707 Marc Thu, 13 May 2010 05:26:13 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=3192#comment-13707 It'd be easy to think that, but there are other things to consider. 1- Frame rate of PAL is different, so that introduces other problem. 2- Doing it on PAL DVD would still have to be stretched anamorphically, so you lose some of the horizontal resolution. 3- You'd lose quite a bit of fidelity from MPEG-2 encoding instead of the superior AVC that the Blu-ray uses. 4- You'd still have to stretch it vertically about 7%. Sounds good on paper, but after you think about it... not really something I'd like to see. I'd still stick with 1080p upscaled from 540p. It’d be easy to think that, but there are other things to consider.

1- Frame rate of PAL is different, so that introduces other problem.

2- Doing it on PAL DVD would still have to be stretched anamorphically, so you lose some of the horizontal resolution.

3- You’d lose quite a bit of fidelity from MPEG-2 encoding instead of the superior AVC that the Blu-ray uses.

4- You’d still have to stretch it vertically about 7%.

Sounds good on paper, but after you think about it… not really something I’d like to see. I’d still stick with 1080p upscaled from 540p.

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By: Puto http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/05/11/why-doesnt-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-look-great-on-blu-ray/comment-page-1/#comment-13706 Puto Thu, 13 May 2010 04:54:08 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=3192#comment-13706 Hmm... So if Brotherhood was animated at 540p, does that mean that a PAL DVD release would have it at full quality? PAL DVDs are 576p (or 576i if you interlace them, but let's assume it's a progressive DVD). Hmm… So if Brotherhood was animated at 540p, does that mean that a PAL DVD release would have it at full quality? PAL DVDs are 576p (or 576i if you interlace them, but let’s assume it’s a progressive DVD).

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