Comments on: Ouran High School Host Club (Blu-ray), Review http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/04/09/ouran-high-school-host-club-blu-ray-review/ Where you get your fanboy news and reviews. Sat, 05 Mar 2011 04:09:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Marc http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/04/09/ouran-high-school-host-club-blu-ray-review/comment-page-1/#comment-13662 Marc Tue, 11 May 2010 19:20:33 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=2775#comment-13662 Animated 'at' 480 specifically refers to what the final masters are. Because it doesn't matter if you animated with rasters at 10000k or with vectors if you output and save a 720x480 PNG. As far as anyone is concerned you drew something at 480. Animation houses almost never save the original drawn file, they draw it, save a 480 file, click new file, and the original vector/raster is gone. And a tip from an ex-Multimedia Major to you. No one cares about the process when they are discussing the final result. Is the animation native HD? No. Do they have the original vector or rasters to output a native HD copy? No. So all they have is a 720x480 master? Yes. Did they have a native HD master that was lost? No, just the 480. Then the show was done at 480. Animated ‘at’ 480 specifically refers to what the final masters are. Because it doesn’t matter if you animated with rasters at 10000k or with vectors if you output and save a 720×480 PNG. As far as anyone is concerned you drew something at 480. Animation houses almost never save the original drawn file, they draw it, save a 480 file, click new file, and the original vector/raster is gone.

And a tip from an ex-Multimedia Major to you. No one cares about the process when they are discussing the final result. Is the animation native HD? No. Do they have the original vector or rasters to output a native HD copy? No. So all they have is a 720×480 master? Yes. Did they have a native HD master that was lost? No, just the 480. Then the show was done at 480.

]]> By: Colin http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/04/09/ouran-high-school-host-club-blu-ray-review/comment-page-1/#comment-13646 Colin Tue, 11 May 2010 09:01:55 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=2775#comment-13646 Oh i am not saying the masters are HD at all man, mastering houses often make more of a mess then not, I am saying the animation drawings and project files are HD tho (due to the ability of vector math re-scaling). as I said before no one is gonna draw in 480, its just not worth the extra difficulties involved i am sure Seed and all of them have large scale project files too; but re outputting something of that size or even a films size in a huge task. Yeah also drawing in SD is not quicker sorry about that. As said before retas is vector based, is they can be re-scaled with out an quality loss, that means any size can be output (including compositing) so that "drawn in SD" thing just does not hold up. BTW animation Major. Oh i am not saying the masters are HD at all man, mastering houses often make more of a mess then not, I am saying the animation drawings and project files are HD tho (due to the ability of vector math re-scaling). as I said before no one is gonna draw in 480, its just not worth the extra difficulties involved i am sure Seed and all of them have large scale project files too; but re outputting something of that size or even a films size in a huge task. Yeah also drawing in SD is not quicker sorry about that. As said before retas is vector based, is they can be re-scaled with out an quality loss, that means any size can be output (including compositing) so that “drawn in SD” thing just does not hold up. BTW animation Major.

]]> By: Marc http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/04/09/ouran-high-school-host-club-blu-ray-review/comment-page-1/#comment-13630 Marc Mon, 10 May 2010 18:33:23 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=2775#comment-13630 It's nice to ramble on as if you know something without having to back the information up, so feel free. The fact that quite a few anime from that era got upscaled Blu-ray disks in Japan would seemingly disagree with them having vector or high resolution raster based masters. Even when frames were drawn in Retas, those original drawings were done with the knowledge they were in SD, so often done extremely quickly, then output in 480p, then they move on, with the originals never saved and never to be seen again. We know for a FACT shows like Gundam Seed, Air, Yukikaze, etc. were animated in SD. Just because you think you know better doesn't mean you are right. It’s nice to ramble on as if you know something without having to back the information up, so feel free.

The fact that quite a few anime from that era got upscaled Blu-ray disks in Japan would seemingly disagree with them having vector or high resolution raster based masters.

Even when frames were drawn in Retas, those original drawings were done with the knowledge they were in SD, so often done extremely quickly, then output in 480p, then they move on, with the originals never saved and never to be seen again.

We know for a FACT shows like Gundam Seed, Air, Yukikaze, etc. were animated in SD.

Just because you think you know better doesn’t mean you are right.

]]> By: Colin http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/04/09/ouran-high-school-host-club-blu-ray-review/comment-page-1/#comment-13627 Colin Mon, 10 May 2010 17:04:55 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=2775#comment-13627 The bit you stated about "it being animated @480" is false, it was animated on Retas pro dude, thats avector based program. So scale(ing) is a non-issue. I keep seeing people pulling this "produced in SD" miss information out of their ass and its totally unsupportable. STOP IT! I have an idea open a photoshop, retas pro, illiststudio, manga studio, sai painter, ect file and scale the canvas to 480: then try to draw something. It would be incredibly hard even on a 12wx cintiq (what they use at bones) to put out quality images at that size. The source of this big mis-nomer is the US-release companies them selves, they do not pay to have new master tranfers done from bones ect. because they buy from a middle man or dont want to pay the costs for the studios to do this them selves, but please stop spreading this crap dis-information, in truth the retas pro files for these shows are probably bigger then 1080 and scaled down, they are probably print media sized at least, if not just for the sake of fast drawing. Remember these guys get paid by the drawing not by the cut and they loose money if the animation checker has to redo allot of their drawings, you as an artist would want a big work space not a posted note and a microscope. The bit you stated about “it being animated @480″ is false, it was animated on Retas pro dude, thats avector based program. So scale(ing) is a non-issue. I keep seeing people pulling this “produced in SD” miss information out of their ass and its totally unsupportable. STOP IT! I have an idea open a photoshop, retas pro, illiststudio, manga studio, sai painter, ect file and scale the canvas to 480: then try to draw something. It would be incredibly hard even on a 12wx cintiq (what they use at bones) to put out quality images at that size. The source of this big mis-nomer is the US-release companies them selves, they do not pay to have new master tranfers done from bones ect. because they buy from a middle man or dont want to pay the costs for the studios to do this them selves, but please stop spreading this crap dis-information, in truth the retas pro files for these shows are probably bigger then 1080 and scaled down, they are probably print media sized at least, if not just for the sake of fast drawing. Remember these guys get paid by the drawing not by the cut and they loose money if the animation checker has to redo allot of their drawings, you as an artist would want a big work space not a posted note and a microscope.

]]> By: Prede http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/04/09/ouran-high-school-host-club-blu-ray-review/comment-page-1/#comment-13057 Prede Thu, 22 Apr 2010 04:02:12 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=2775#comment-13057 Ah nice review man. Sorry I didn't get to post sooner, been kind of busy. I saw a few episodes of this on Funi's site and their On Demand channel. I thought it was alright, but IDK if it's worth buying for me though. Still interesting review. Ah nice review man. Sorry I didn’t get to post sooner, been kind of busy. I saw a few episodes of this on Funi’s site and their On Demand channel. I thought it was alright, but IDK if it’s worth buying for me though. Still interesting review.

]]> By: muhootsaver http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/04/09/ouran-high-school-host-club-blu-ray-review/comment-page-1/#comment-12950 muhootsaver Sun, 18 Apr 2010 02:26:22 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=2775#comment-12950 I think C+ is about right. As an upscale, - on jaggies and some heavy filters but I would have given it about B range myself. So I think you were quite fair. I think C+ is about right. As an upscale, – on jaggies and some heavy filters but I would have given it about B range myself. So I think you were quite fair.

]]> By: Schmullus http://www.fanboyreview.net/2010/04/09/ouran-high-school-host-club-blu-ray-review/comment-page-1/#comment-12749 Schmullus Sat, 10 Apr 2010 04:29:58 +0000 http://www.fanboyreview.net/?p=2775#comment-12749 This is good to hear. Hopefully Funi will apply this same upscaling method to Trigun and Full Metal Panic/FMP Fumoffu. This is good to hear. Hopefully Funi will apply this same upscaling method to Trigun and Full Metal Panic/FMP Fumoffu.

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